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John Glenn versus Howard Metzenbaum-Truth! Things that make you think a little:
Yes I imagine it makes the right wing think a little because it doesn’t take much to think more. My sources listed in green, my comments in red. I’m beginning to think they don’t teach history is red state schools. The original I received is in black.
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
An outright lie; there were 92 combat deaths. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties_jan07.htm
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January 2007.
Again a lie there were 20 not 35. http://sof8mile.blogspot.com/2007/02/2007-detroit-homicide-total.html
That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.
You’re only counting US battle deaths not TOTAL deaths. Add Iraqi civilians (estimated at 660,00 so far), “insurgents” (we’ll be generous here and include them with the civilian deaths), US civilians (at least 700 so far) and others (another 10,000 or so). That adds another 200,000 or so deaths every year or 16,000 every month, just a few more than the 20 in Detroit. Iraq is the physical size of California.
When some claim that President Bush shouldn't have started this war, I state the following:
A. FDR led us into World War II.
A lie. The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor and that’s why we entered WWII. President Roosevelt asked congress to declare war and they did with little other choice. It was not his personal decision.
B. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.
While not an outright lie this statement is misleading because Germany declared war on us the U.S. on December 11, 1941 4 days after Japan declared war on us and attacked at Pearl Harbor.
C. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
A lie. We lost 291,557 military total dead and 11,200 civilian dead. This is less than Norway’s losses in the same war. We’ve lost 700 U.S. civilians, mostly contractors, in Iraq as well as almost 3,500 military SO FAR. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/casualties.htm
D. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.
And this statement supports us being in Iraq how? Korea is a civil war similar to Iraq and I say "is" because technically the Korean War is still under way as a treaty has never been signed ending the war. Our troops last saw combat there in 1953. Comparing this to Iraq means the war in Iraq will still be going on in 2061 with no end in sight. And I think North Korea invading South Korea was the cause of the war not Harry Truman personally, a claim George Bush cannot make.
E. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.
There are two modern Viet Nam wars. The first ran from 1946 until 1954 (see France, Dien Bien Phu) and the second from 1959 until 1975. The second phase is what Americans call the Viet Nam war. JFK had little to do with Viet Nam, a war that started in 1959 almost two years before he took office. A war, which was already going on in Viet Nam when we entered it, we were INVITED into by the lawful South Vietnamese government. Since JFK was murdered in 1963 no one knows what he might have done about Viet Nam had he lived and yes I agree, Viet Nam never attacked us and we shouldn’t have attacked them either and so how exactly does that make Bush right to do so and without an invitation from the legitimate government?
F. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.
Another lie. We lost 47,378 from 1959 until 1975, also a waste just like Iraq. Yes Johnson turned Viet Nam into a worse thing than it already was. Unlike Bush he realized it was hopeless and didn't run for a second term.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/casualties.htm
G. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
A lie. The 1995 air campaign was a UN operation. We had a plan in Bosnia and it worked very well. What “plan” do we have in Iraq? And if we do have a plan how’s it working out? And, by the way, how’s Bush doing at finding Osama?
H. In the years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
Iraq is hardly “liberated” and Afghanistan had a bumper poppy crop this year. Great job Mr. Bush! What do you think the money from the drugs is doing? Killing US troops in Iraq. The inspectors have been in and out of Iran since before Bush became President and on December 27, 2006 Korea expelled the two UN inspectors there. Al-Qaeda is doing better than ever in Afganistatn and having no trouble recruiting members since we invaded Iraq.
The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking.
But it took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Dravidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.
How can 51 days be more than 4 years? I guess they don’t teach math in red states either.
We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.
How many soldiers died while Hillary was looking for those records? And we’ve had almost four years so far with no end in sight.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
And this has what to do with this subject? Is Ted Kennedy responsible for the Iraq war because he didn’t call the police immediately in 1969?
It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!
Last time I looked we were still in Iraq and Bush has been President since Florida so I don’t think we’re still counting votes there.
Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military morale is high!
This is wishful and magical thinking. And they have a choice? What are they going to say? No we think it’s a bad idea? Get real.
The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts But Wait There's more!
Yes the biased conservative media. Most of the media is owned by large conservative companies and if there is a bias it isn’t towards liberals.
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